Philip Pearce: 15:07 - 16:14 Well, I think she certainly identified with women she saw that would need abortion for one reason or another, and those who came to the practice who had undergone back-alley abortions, so to speak, and they had infections. When I was a resident, I saw some of those people, and some of them had such severe infections that they actually died of infection. They came in moribund, almost, but most of them could be saved. Some of them required removal of the uterus in order to remove the part that was so severely infected. But after Roe v. Wade passed and this was liberalized, you didn't see those infected abortions anymore. So, she saw that, certainly, as a great advantage and an opportunity for women who felt that they needed abortions.
32:16 - 33:50 I specifically remember we had a pregnant mom; they took her out of the prison. This is what in Raleigh; they took her out of the prison to have her baby. And literally within hours of deliverance, she was back. She got maybe an hour spent with her child. And she didn't have any family to take the baby. So the baby went into foster care. And it was just so sad, she came back with just pictures. And that's it. We had to do the massaging of the fundus. So they literally, she spit the baby out and they shipped her back to the prison. No time to bond with the baby, nothing. And that ripped my heart out just as bad as it ripped her heart out because she had no family who would take the baby. So that was it for her, until I guess the baby got to be 18 and looked her up. Because from what I understand the baby was put in foster care and then adopted so she never got a chance to.. because she was in there for a long time. I'm talking the female prison in Raleigh, it wasn't jail, this was prison so they were going to be in there for a while. So that is just I guess, the inhumane part. And at that time, they were still shackling them to the bed.
49:05 - 49:68 One story I thought about walking over here that I hadn't thought about a long time was when I first started doing my GYN practice in the peds clinic because the mothers would bring the kids in. The nurses in the pediatric clinic weren't so happy about helping me with pelvic exams in the peds clinic. I knew that I was going to need to move from the peds clinic to the adult ID clinic the day that I found the speculum from the week before still sitting in the sink. The nurse said that she wouldn't clean it. I found a group of people who were very happy to help, and [I] still [am] going to the ID clinic twice a month to care for patients. [This] has been very satisfying because they're all doing so well now. The meds have been great.
1:18:24- 1:19:07 Well, that was very hard. There were a lot of attitudes at all medical schools at that time, not just Duke, which made it very difficult for women. I think there were a lot of sexual innuendos that didn't that people didn't understand at the time. For instance, I remember there were issues about call rooms [since] there weren't places for women to sleep. Either we slept on a couch somewhere or we got into a call room and [guys] were there. It was a little awkward. There were a lot of jokes, sometimes in class, which I thought [was] inappropriate.